Jen: 0:01

Welcome everyone. This is our, I was trying to think. And it's sad. I'm already losing count. Is this number five? I think so. Number five. Yeah. So and I, for 1:00 AM thrilled that we're pretty sure that our audio issues or a thing of the past. Yes, yes. All of our superstitions you know, crossing fingers and I don't know what all else but yes. So hopefully that'll be that'll be good. So I'm super happy about that. And I do wanna thank everyone who has listened up to this point and kind of dealt with that. We do definitely appreciate it. It's always a work in progress, this podcasting thing. So, I guess I'm going to jump right in and go first. Awesome. So I'm going to be sharing an interesting tale from Scotland. Ooh, okay. Yay. Yes. Place I have not been, but I want to go so, so badly. So yeah, right. Just gorgeous and green and the accents and the kilts. Oh my goodness. And the kilts and the, okay. So essentially in Scottish folklore large, we know have been routinely associated with bodies of water from even their smallest of streams to their very large lakes. These bodies of water can host anything from, well, I wanna focus on the Kelpies, which I, oddly enough, had not really heard that much about, have you had you a kepi Kelpies? No Kels, like K yeah. K E L P I E. Yeah. No. What are the, yeah, so they're kind of like water horses. They have magical powers and also some issues with malevolence we can say. So one legend says that these Kelpies will lure small children into the water by offering them rides on back. and once the children climb on for this Fri the body of the kepi is almost like a sticky substance, like a glue almost. So once you touch it, yeah, then you're stuck literally, like you're stuck. And so they're dragged away to, you know, quote unquote, a watery death with their livers specific livers only washing ashore the following day. I suppose just as confirmation, to their parents or other children that they are indeed gone, cuz they're probably not okay without their liver, but how, I don't know, but that was very, the liver was so specific. Why that organ? Yeah.

Yasmine: 3:15

okay. That's dark.

Jen: 3:17

So the KES, they do not stop there. They also can shape shift, which is fun for everyone. So they can shape, shift in shape, shift into what they would call an aquatic spirit. So I'm trying to, okay. So basically if they're, if they shape shift, we, well, not that the whole horse thing wasn't malevolent, but this is definitely gonna be malevolent so they can appear as a lane pony beside the river that would obviously draw people to it. Yeah. Then it can also. Which well, and that of course ties in even more to the children. Because you know, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't be able to resist it either, but as an adult, but yeah, so obviously you're gonna go check on that, you know, pony, see what's up and then you're, you're done and only your liver we'll, you know, come back to tell the tale, I suppose. But they also can shape, shift into a beautiful woman.

Yasmine: 4:33

Oh, okay.

Jen: 4:36

Yes. And why you may ask what they want to do that, who are they gonna be attracting at that point? Right? The men. Yes. When that happens. Well obviously the, the, the men are taken into the sea. They drown doesn't say anything about the livers only mentions the livers in association with the kids. So I'm not really sure about that part. They also could take on the form of a Harry human lurking by the river, ready to jump out at UNSU unsuspecting folks that are traveling by and they crush them to death with just their, yes. Awesome. So K's also can be responsible for conjuring a flood to sweep a traveler. And cause them to drown. Oh my

Yasmine: 5:38

goodness.

Jen: 5:40

Yeah. So there's a common Scottish folk tale about the kepi and the 10 children. So having Lord nine children onto its back, it chases after the 10th, the child strokes its nose and his finger becomes stuck fast. He manages to cut off his finger and escapes. The other nine children are dragged into the water, never to be seen again. Oh my gosh. Moral of the story. Don't go near the water, like so many other folk tales and scary boogeyman stories that we, that we hear about. Another really cool thing. Well the sound of a K's tail entering the water is said to sound like thunder. Oh. So if you are passing by and you hear this, then I guess this is when it's not being malevolent it is warning you that there's gonna be a storm approaching. Oh,

Yasmine: 6:47

okay.

Jen: 6:49

So it does have a a weak spot. If you were to find yourself entangled stuck, I guess if you didn't put both hands on, cuz yeah. Anyway hopefully you left a hand free that's weak spot is at its bridal. And if you can get a hold of its bridal, you will have command over it. And any other kepi. That may also be present. And so if at that point you are now able to own that Kel basically like it's your, your horse from the so queen,

Yasmine: 7:27

huh? I'm the Kelby queen.

Jen: 7:30

Yes exactly. Oh so, and that would be, you would be super happy about that because a captive kepi was said to have the strength of at least 10 horses and the stamina of many more. Wow. So highly sought after that would be a very good thing. Especially as we know, horses were gonna be about any culture you were in very important for you to get your transportation, a but your work done any kind of farming you do, any of that stuff. Construction building stuff, you know, it's gonna involve horse, so a super strong horse even better. So. That is yeah. All I have to say about Scotland. Just kidding. Yeah. So there was breaking news this week about Scotland. And so that was just a little segue into what I really wanna talk about and I can talk about forever. Which is any real, really you know, cryp logic, creature out there. So we're gonna talk about the Lockness and that is located for anybody that's been under 12 rocks forever. That is in the Scottish Highlands. It is the, a lock, you know, a lot of P I did have to look this up somewhere along the way. So I know a lot of people, you know, you've heard of lock nest, but what's a lock. It is a lake. It could also be a sea inlet, but in this case, it's. and something I really hadn't really looked too much into, but just this little side note Lockness is part of a network of waterways that were linked in 1822 via the Caledonia canal and it's 788 feet deep and 23 miles long. Wow. That's that's a long way. Yeah. And of course it's about Southwest of Inverness, so largest fresh water source in great Britain. And that's a good thing cause it has to hide a very large monster.

Yasmine: 9:43

good.

Jen: 9:43

So. Little history in here. I'll try to read through most of my notes cuz it's, it's a lot I'm realizing now that you know, probably a lot of people would not want to hear all of this, so I'll try to condense some of this. So always comes back to the Romans, doesn't it? When the Romans first came to Northern Scotland, which was in the first entry ad they find. The gorgeous Highlands already occupied by a strange to them looking a group of, of folks. And they were covered in tattoos or historians think it could have been that they had very intricately painted themselves. And I don't know that I'm saying this right, cuz again, we get Latin and all this mess and I just don't know. But the picks P I C Ts and that would literally translate to painted people. Okay. So we, what they, what we do know is of course we know that there's lots of cans and, and monoliths and stone sculptures and stone, you know, I can't the word just left me completely. We know there's a lot of rocks that obviously meant something in Scotland and Ireland, Wales, all of these things. And so certainly Scotland has it's it's fair share. And, but what they have discovered from from these people, the, what I'm gonna say is the picks PS C T S I don't know, somebody will correct me is that they obviously had a great reverence to animals in nature, which that's not super unusual because obviously much more so than we would do now. They relied heavily on, you know, trying to understand the weather and you know, animals were gonna be very sacred to their livelihood whether it was animals put to work for them to accomplish tasks, or if it was simply to eat and provide, you know, some sort of clothing, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah. So they, the stones are very that have survived, are intricately carved and historians, archeologists. They're able to pretty easily make out most of the animals that that have been carved except for one. And that one is a is quote, a strange beast with an elongated beak or muzzle head like a spout and flippers, instead of, so some scholars have described it as looking like a swimming elephant. and I saw the picture and I could see that my mind wouldn't have gone there if I hadn't seen that. And now I'm like, I guess that's about as close as you could get when you look at this this stone with, you know, with this carved into it. So that's the they call it the ish beast is the earliest known evidence. That there's some strange creature that you know, that they obviously found important enough to include on you know, along with all of these other animals on these stones and that archeologists aren't able to really figure out what in the world it would even be. So that's Pretty cool. I think and so an article I read said, you know, so when they they've of course known about these and seen this for, for a long, long, long time that has helped to for at least 1500 years, a sense of discovery of, you know, we know that that's when that stone was carved at least 1500 years ago that the Lockness is home to some sort of mysterious aquatic creature. Wow. So now getting to the earliest recorded, so written record of something amiss near Lochness is found. And again, you know, the pronunciation, I, you know, apologize a Dom. Wrote life of Saint colo in the sixth century ad. And so he has written this about a hundred years after the Saint colo, who of course was San it after he died. Cuz you know, that's how that, that would work. I, I suppose, in that religion and this St colo was credited with basically introducing Christianity to Scotland in 85, 65. That's yeah, 5 65. So really long time ago, essentially. So he was an Irish monk and he is going, he's spreading Christianity, trying to you know, to get that going. So of course he's interacting with the picked people and he finds himself near Lochness. And this is a very water down version of the account from I don't know why I wanna try this again. A, a Dom, Nu So St. Colo and Irish monk was told that a quote water beast had dragged a local man under water, drowning him. St colo enlisted one of his followers to swim across the river to lore NEI ashore. Of course, NEI is me but halfway across the sea serpent attacked the man mm-hmm shocking. Great. And according to onlookers, St. Colo made the sign of the cross and shouted go no farther. Do not touch the man. Go back at once. And the creature made a hasty retreat. Oh yes. So yeah, I mean it's a long time ago. It's interesting, you know that a water beast that, you know, certainly to me makes me think it had to be something large. Yeah. Something that, you know, he was not familiar with, but I'm thinking he's from Ireland. So, you know, not exactly like. Coming from, I don't know, Oklahoma or something where you don't have much water you or, you know, to encounter a aquatic, you know, creature or something like that. So I found that just a little bit interesting. So, and it was a, a wicked long time ago, so that too but the legend, as we know it today is actually much more recent. And so the modern legend of Lochness monster dates from 1933. Wow. Which I don't know why I thought it was farther back, but anyway so basically they had what's a,

Yasmine: 16:45

oh, just that

Jen: 16:46

it seems, I thought you were gonna say something, sorry. Yeah. So basically they had built a new road that is going, you know I don't know if it's along the shoreline of longness, but nearby at least. And on an April afternoon, a local couple, they were driving on this road and they spotted quote an enormous animal rolling and plunging on the surface end quote. So this story gets picked up by the Inverness courier, and that editor used the word monster, and it's actually on the front page of, you know, big letters like they were the lead story. And so Lockness monster. That is how it started. So, yeah. The super exciting And I am not, I am on purpose, not going into all of the the plethora of sightings that have happened over the years. There's a lot obviously. And, you know, and then with that comes a lot of hoaxes, a lot of potential hoaxes that people are still on the fence about including the most famous, you know, picture evidence that stood the test of time for a really long time. And then I'm doing it. I said, I wasn't going to, but eventually, you know a guy that really actually wants, I think still to this day to very much believe in in Nesti. He actually got a deathbed confession of someone saying that they had helped to using a cause I think the picture was from the sixties. I think I'm pretty sure that they had used a toy submarine and some metal and paint and that he had helped his friend or brother-in-law one or the other to to, to do this, you know, to make this, this hoax up. But, you know, a lot of people still, they don't believe that they question, you know, why cuz he didn't come out with that until after the man had died. So nobody could, you know, so it, it still makes it, you know, up in the air. But you know, certainly with any crypted with any of that stuff, you're always gonna have people that swear by, you know, everything they've got that they know what they saw and you're gonna have people that are going to try to capitalize on that. And for whatever reason go to, for some very extreme lengths to create hoaxes. Yeah, exactly. So so anyway, So that's, that's about all I'll say about that, but the exciting news is that the Lochness monster has been deemed quote the, the, her, the word heard around the world plausible on July 27th. Yes, 2022 for posterity. So the I've been, I tried to practice saying this dinosaur's name, but you know, I'm sitting here like, oh, what is it again? Pleas SOS. Nope. Pleas. Sores. Nope. Closer. Okay. Wait, I wrote this out phonetically somewhere. Oh, okay. Pleas. Sores. Yes. Pleas sores. Yes. Okay. So essentially archeologists have found fossils of small. I need to think of like, A nickname for those things. I'm gonna call'em P sores from now. No, that sounds gross. Wow. That sounded weird. Oh, scratch that completely. Oh, I gotta just pleas a sore. I can do this pleas sore. Okay. Woo. Yeah, that, I don't know that hit a little weird. Anyway, Ellen, this, my next sentence is gonna make, that would make it even worse that I wrote. So yeah, everyone erased that immediately. So fossils of small pleas sores, which typically had small hits, long neck

Yasmine: 20:58

and four long flippers.

Jen: 21:04

Woo. Yeah, that would've been. Oh, yeah. That's probably why no one's ever asked me to give them a nickname ever. it's all becoming clear now. Okay. Any who, who, okay, so essentially they found those fossils of what I just said. I'm never repeating that again. Under the in a 100 million year old river that lies under Moroccos Sahara desert. Okay.

Yasmine: 21:45

But

Jen: 21:46

yes. So, okay, go ahead.

Yasmine: 21:54

Do you hear, can you hear me uhoh did you freeze? I can, now I was saying people saw them in the 1930s. How could they be still around if.

Jen: 22:06

I know. Right. I know. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna touch on that. Okay. So that, so basically, cuz at first I saw that I just saw plausible and I was so excited. So then as I was reading through it, I was like, okay, great. What does that mean? We've already found fossils, I think in like 1820 something. A female archeologist. I don't remember her name. Sorry everyone. But she had already discovered this dinosaur so this isn't like brand new or anything. But this is why this is really cool. So prior to this discovery in this river, they were thought to be a Marine only, which means they had to be in the sea, that they could not survive in fresh water. Like the Lockness. Okay. So this discovery because they found like a big one and a little baby PLE sores. Yeah. And so they feel 100% certain that they did in fact live in this river. Wow. So so yeah, so basically this discovery suggests that some species cuz you know, like every animal, there's 50 different whatevers of it. That some species of this dinosaur that they had long believed were sea creatures only may have and most likely could survive and live and thrive in fresh water. Wow. Yeah. How cool is that? So. They yeah, that's boring. So that would essentially be like some whales, like the BJA whale that is able to, you know, do do both. So the statement from bath university, they're the scientists that led the research in Morocco, said the existence of the Lockness monster. This is where they have to get all sciencey on one level was quotes

Yasmine: 24:16

plausible. Oh, wow. so, yeah.

Jen: 24:20

So, so yeah, I don't know. It was cool. I mean I thought, well, I mean, we haven't found big foot bones. Right. I don't think that I know of fossils or anything. I don't know if we've had any major archeologists say that's plausible. I don't know. And I'm not a big foot hater. Don't come at me. But so just a little bit more about that. Well, that whole thing about just the dinosaurs and back to your question earlier of, well, yeah. How did someone see it in 1933? And people like continue to today, you know, make reports to the official Lockness monster people. They exist, they do exist. You know, even today they get some, you know, a couple of week, whatever so that we have to really think about and talk about cryptozoology. I'm always so proud when I can say that word without screwing it up. So essentially the Lockness monster has been one of the hot targets for cryptozoology, which basically means it's a study of animals. Is it even animals. Yeah. Animals whose existence has yet to be proven. Wow. Yeah, that makes sense. So that's essentially what a crypta zoologist is, what crypta zoology is, and that's how we get crypted that the mythical creatures, you know, that kind of thing. So it it's, it's a playoff of, or that Crys comes from cryptozoology, which is yeah. Way easier to say. So I'll give on that one. So thousands of cultures report Crys of some, some sort, I didn't include all of the, I mean, we know, you just think like chew Cobra, like I said, big foot, whatever, but besides the Lochness monster, so thinking of other lake crypted we've got champ in the United States and I think champ is in Canada too. Pretty sure. Yeah. Japan. S E I, I don't know. I S S I and lake Akeda I K E D a and Lord Iceland that the, that whole Scandinavian language. Okay. I I'm just, no, I'm gonna spell it. The L a G a R F L J O T worm. I can say that part. So that is in the a lake that Laga Thor, whatever lake in Iceland, they have that no, I'm not gonna say that cause I'm not sure. I do know. I'm pretty sure the Izzy in Japan. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go out on a limb. I am pretty sure that the one in Iceland, the worm in Iceland, that unlike Nesti, they are like double humpbacked. You know, like yeah, yeah. Instead of just you seeing like the, you know, of, of Nesti those have yeah. Like two and I'm pretty sure that they're bigger too, which that would make sense if they've got double. Yeah. So. So Nesti is certainly not the, the only one and those two, I, I, don't not sure about lake Champlain and I, I didn't look that one up. I don't know why haven't thought much about champ. They call him champ. Yeah. Champ being here than I care more about Nesti and Scotland, but it's, it's Scotland again, the accents and the kilts, you just can't help it. I like their, their crypted better. I don't know. But those others, so Japan and Iceland also take their their sea monsters lake monsters very, very seriously as well. With museums at the respective lakes and research and all of that stuff. So people are very convinced of the existence of those creatures as well. So I started thinking this is my, my last little part, but so I started thinking, I was like, okay, if, and, and this is, you know, how many creatures are there if you just even think about the ocean? Like how many yeah. You know, are there, have we discovered them all? No, we know that. Yeah, likely not happened. Exactly. So now mammals is a bit of another, you know, another story. I, they, I think they estimate that like 80, some high, 80% of mammals are probably all known. But the aquatic life, definitely a totally different story. So it's crazy because, and this is from the Smithsonian, so not, you know, nothing wack could do out there. They basically say in rough terms, estimates of the number of undiscovered species in the ocean range from a few hundred thousand to more than 10 million

Yasmine: 29:21

Wow. Wow. Wow. Yes.

Jen: 29:26

So they they've got different models that they use to try and figure out how to predict that hence the wide range of of, of numbers there. But basically it comes down to percentage wise that 86% or no, no, I'm sorry. 91% of Marine species remain undiscovered 91% that, and so. Yeah. So, you know, and that is part of the reason that I think you really especially with the Lochness monster, why I think people are able to even give that more credence than other crypted, like say big foot or something like that. Because we know that with when it comes to ocean waterways, whatever, we really have only scratch the surface of what. What has been discovered exactly. So I think it just continues to give that hope that there is still, you know, something that maybe has evolved and from dinosaur days from, you know, whatever that has managed to survive that we just scientists just have not discovered yet. So of course, who knows you know it's easy to to get sucked into it and really believe some of the accounts that people, you know put of the people that, that give them they're very credible and whatever. And there's so many that you think, oh, absolutely. You know, there's also the famous thing of the Yeti. Somebody thought they had gotten a picture of a Yeti and then they go back the next day and realize in different, you know, different time of day realize that they had photographed a rock. And so, you know, there's a lot. And so I think, especially if you have folks that, you know, really, really want to believe, then your mind can play tricks on you certainly in bodies of water and you know, all that. But we haven't discovered everything. So who's to say that there are some, you know some creatures, some species out there that have defied, you know, Yeah, what we think we know. So serious research into the Lochness monster continues on today. There are projects going on, involve high intensity high can word just left again, basically like military grade sonar that kind of thing. They continue to pick up things that they can't explain while doing like the side to side sonar and other methods they use cameras and they will get masses that are very large and appear to be traveling at a, a good rate of speed. And that's the thing with this plea. Pleases SOS that they know that with the four flippers and the way that they, their best guess of course is that it would swim was almost like flying. Like it would mimic flying. So, and they, and it, despite its neck being, you know, all whatever, and we see it like this, they actually think that that it's neck, or at least that species of, of that particular source was actually rigid. And that's what helped it to gain more speed and the flippers and stuff, but, and the other thing, oh, how did, how did I forget this? Oh, if you're, if you're in the camp of, I believe they were air breathers, so no fins, so that SOS would have to poke its head up and breathe. Wow. So there's only been, well, I don't know when they updated this official Lochness monster website. But I know they had had four this year, 2022 so far. And there are 1,140 sightings officially recorded. Oh, oh, it's called the official lock nest sightings register. Very told you they were official. They're not playing. Wow. So yeah. Oh, wow. That's it.

Yasmine: 33:36

The lock nest monster exists. It's plausible. I like plausible. I, it keeps it like I do too. It could have happened. We don't know exactly. That's interesting.

Jen: 33:51

Yeah, I was very let's

Yasmine: 33:53

for this part really quick. I gotta grab something. Maybe can we pause for a second or where we cut off or, oh, absolutely. I

Jen: 34:02

gotta grab this. I can, yeah, I can fix it.

Yasmine: 34:12

I totally forgot that last week I used this stand that I, I used like, like plugged my phone in at night last week and I can charge it. Okay. Yeah, that's better. Okay. Whew. All right. 3, 2, 1. Right.

Jen: 34:51

Six one.

Yasmine: 34:54

All right. So I went on a little bit of a search this week, cause I kind of wanted to tell a story. So I kind did a, a obscure folklore stories, you know, and just did a search to find something that was interesting. And as research does, sometimes it kind of took me in another direction and then back. And so, so we're gonna talk about the folk tale tater hood. Have you ever heard about that tater hood? So it's a Norwegian, not so far. No. There's. A couple of collectors, but they don't know who the actual writer of this story was. So a couple of places I saw Peter Christian Sen and Jorgen Mo. Absolutely. So those two guys, and then yep. It comes up again in a book, it called a book of witches and a choice of magic by Ruth Manning Sanders. So this lady, Ruth Manning Sanders she, she put together folk stories from all over the world. So this chatter hood story is super duper old. I don't exactly remember the year that it said, but it's one of those things. Like it wasn't written down, it was told to different people and you know, what did it. Or oh, sure. Storytelling for a long time. And then finally written tradition, you know, so it's a super old one. So I read the story and I was like, oh, well, let's find out about this roof Manning Sanders lady, because she seems interesting. And she, she is very interesting. So she was born in 1886 and she lived to 1988. Right. So just that, that girl, 98 years old she's seen some stuff she was born in Welsh. Yeah. But she lived in England. She was an author and she was a children's books. The children's story collector, a fairy tale collector. She would put them group them together from different places around the world. So she had stories that like books that were called, like, let's see, I wrote some down. It would, they'd all be called like a book of, and then cats and creatures, a book of dragons, a book of SORs and spells. So over 90 of these collections of these stories. Wow. So we've got go through, we've find them over books. you talk a little bit about her. Which everywhere. Cuz I went to a few different websites to kind of like, oh, let's like really learn some more about her. Let's just put her name in and see what comes up. So everywhere told me that she had an idyllic childhood and I was like, what the heck? why are they talking about this so much? But really like had two sisters, she lived on a farm like summers in a farmhouse in the Scottish Highlands. And I guess their little farmhouse was named Shion Shion S H I a N meaning place where fairies live. So I feel like her, yeah. Nice for any, I feel like her C. Like inspired her a little bit. Yes. She was a poet. She studied English literature and Shakespeare studies at Manchester universities. She was very educated. And honestly, for that time, that's a kind of a big deal. So I, yeah, like really I was

Jen: 38:53

yes, very

Yasmine: 38:55

educated upbringing. She was a female author and this is why she caught my attention, a female author during the chart of the century, which I mean, everything that you see, like any period pieces. I mean, we just watched this show I believe it's the Alienist like Victorian time and they, they have to change their names to be able to write like stuff to the newspaper and things like that. So, yep. She was using her name. way back when mm-hmm it was not super popular to do that. And maybe she got away with it because it was children's stories, but even still some people didn't, you know, so I thought that was really

Jen: 39:34

exactly, yeah, it is very

Yasmine: 39:37

much an accomplishment. And I, I got kind of excited cuz I haven't seen this too often when she got married to her husband in 1911, they both changed their names to Manning Sanders. Like you'd never hear, they both change their name usually it's she just does it. Yeah.

Jen: 39:58

Oh right. Absolutely. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So she really founded equal. That's awesome.

Yasmine: 40:05

Progressive. So that's pretty cool. And George, he seemed like a good guy. Mm-hmm who was that was her husband. He I didn't write anything down about him, her name, his name was George. He did some stuff. had two kids super

Jen: 40:21

supportive. He was progressive. We like it. Yeah.

Yasmine: 40:27

they

Jen: 40:28

had two support. That's all we

Yasmine: 40:28

need to know. David. And then Joan Manning Sanders was a teenage artist in the 1920s. So that's kind of cool. Her daughter got some fame for herself for being an artist. And then again, the, the books, a book of right. I mentioned that already. Okay. So her and George, before they had kids traveled with the circus for two years, like so right. so good. Oh, have fun. And she actually rode an elephant in the parade, so that's kind of like. Course she did. She stood up. Of course she did. Yeah. So right. Her first book she wrote in 1919 it was called Pedler and other poems. And then she wrote a book called Carn in 1922. And this book, a critic called Virginia Wolf she described it as a long poem by a short fat poet. What the heck, Virginia? What a hater? I know

Jen: 41:47

no words. Of course we know what, right. Yeah. We know the deal with, with that with Virginia Wolf. So yes, we'll

Yasmine: 41:55

just let that slide. So she.

Jen: 42:00

But so that just proves women have torn down women. It's not a new thing way back,

Yasmine: 42:05

so terrible anyways. Yeah. So she wrote varying Jo various genres now pros, poetry, non-fiction children's stories and then retelling of ancient folk tales to kind of make them more relevant to that time period.

Jen: 42:25

Yeah. And especially cuz the, the English then would've been, I mean it's yeah, for sure. It's hard

Yasmine: 42:31

for sure. So yes, he did a really good job of putting all those things together. And

Jen: 42:38

so just imagine how much she is responsible for how many stories that could have been completely lost without her. Yes. It's just like amazing

Yasmine: 42:50

particular. is like a hundreds of year old story. And then you'll see, cuz I didn't write it down in order to tell it like, like she told it, I just wrote bullet points to kind of tell in my own the words a little bit, but there's still so much inspiration. You see that carries through to the stories that we have now. It's it's just, I mean, it's, it's pretty interesting anyways. So I mean, that's it about, about Ruth for now? She had a super long life. She saw all kinds of stuff. I'm sure we'll circle back around to her because like I said, 90 volume, like 90 volumes of these collections of stories, she's gonna be like a wealth of information for us,

Jen: 43:38

so absolutely. Oh, I'm thorough. Yeah. So, okay.

Yasmine: 43:43

I'm gonna tell you about tatter hood. Yeah. So once upon a time a king and queen they couldn't have children. They were very sad. They tried and tried and the king wanted to make his, you know, beautiful wife happy. And the queen started to really despair. She started to just be really depressed and wander around the castle, wander around the castle ground, just crying at like everything the girl needed. Some Wellbutrin everybody was very sad, like just super sad.

Jen: 44:23

Right? So. Is it bad that I wanna say she was probably more scared that she was gonna be beheaded because she couldn't produce

Yasmine: 44:32

an air. That would be very accurate because we all know Henry aids and how great Yeah. So, oh yeah. Yeah. She was, she was definitely sorry. Continue for sure. So one day she went out and was gonna go for her, walk around the castle grounds and she kind of went a little further than she normally did because she was crying and, you know, really upset. And she saw old woman along the, and this lady tried to comfort her and ask her why she was crying. Like, are you okay? Like what's going on? And the queen told her why I've been married to the king. We wanna have children. He needs an air. I need to save my butt. Like. What can I do? Do you know, how to help me and this old woman of course says you are in luck. Of course she is. So the old woman she didn't, the queen had no idea, but she was a witch. She was a kind witch. So lucky this queen

Jen: 45:47

okay.

Yasmine: 45:49

Plot twist. So she says, I can promise you a child, if you do exactly what I say. Okay. The queen agreed and the witch gave her these directions. She said, go home quickly, get two pales of water and bathe in both pales and then spill the water under your bed, which like how full do these pales have to be? make a mess in the house anyway. Yeah. So, okay. Spill water in. Yeah. Yeah, honestly, but she's got a baby. How big are

Jen: 46:29

these pales? Like so big. Right? Exactly. That's what I'm like. Right.

Yasmine: 46:36

More talking barrels. Spill Hills, make a mess. It's fine. It's for a baby. worst things of a tub. Mm-hmm it's fine. So she says in the morning there will be two flowers. Okay. One will be beautiful and will remind you of the first night star, whatever, like super pretty it'll be iridescent. And then the other one will be ugly. Don't touch the ugly one. Only eat the pretty one. Do not eat or touch the ugly one. So she did the things. Okay. She rush home, she took her baths. She spilled the water. She went to sleep. I mean, how she could sleep. I don't know. I would be too anxious to sleep. I'd be like, what's going on wanting to please.

Jen: 47:37

Yeah. But

Yasmine: 47:39

yeah.

Jen: 47:41

Yeah, she said. And how did I know she was a good witch again?

Yasmine: 47:44

Interesting. we were desperate. It's fine.

Jen: 47:54

I was curious, say, yeah, I was thinking I was like desperate times desperate. Right? Okay. So

Yasmine: 47:59

overnight of course, two flowers spring up and the queen was very, very excited. The pretty flower was big and iridescent white, like. The snow and a star and all these descriptive words that the story said, it was very nice. There's some people that read it on YouTube, which I thought was really fun, a couple of different versions. So you're so inclined. Oh yeah. On YouTube and they're really nice stories. Couple of really good readers anyways. So the flower's beautiful and soft and iridescent almost too beautiful to eat, but she ate it and it was sweet and delicious and she wanted more. So she looked under the bed and sure enough was the ugly flower and it was ugly. It was wilted and the, the pedals were Ashin and pinched and just not cute at all. But she ate it cuz she wanted it.

Jen: 49:05

Oh, geez, here

Yasmine: 49:06

we go. But it had no taste. So she was, she just went on her Merry way. She said, well, it didn't taste like anything. I'm fine. It's all fine. A few months later, it doesn't specify how many months later the queen gave birth to a baby and it was a baby girl and it was ugly and loud. And it had gray skin and ragged black hair for baby And as soon as she was born, she yelled out Howie mama as soon she was one weird okay. What I don't know what you're just what I mean. That's that's good, but just wait before she was a week old. So, I mean, week old babies are still like. under 10 pounds or like this big, like tiny before she was a week old, she got a hold of a wooden spoon and a goat to ride on and she would go around oh, and a tattered dress and hood. So that's why they called her tatter hood. Wait, we didn't get there yet. We don't know about that yet. Okay. So she went banging around the spoon everywhere and the queen could not even stand like being in the same room as her or looking at her. Cuz she was so not what she expected. Did you hear that? Bang? Yeah. Obnoxious. You heard the bang? Yes I did. I don't know my son's here. What does that mean? Well, I'm here, but I'm gonna just go yell and see if he's okay. Really quick. Yeah, 10. Nice. Apparently he was filming a TikTok and fell, so he, oh, so he rides around the house and he crashed into the door with it. So it's great. oh, okay. Okay. So right back into it. Okay. The queen was sad. Oh, you okay.

Jen: 52:08

Last drink. I swallowed wrong. Why is it always the last drink?

Yasmine: 52:21

Yeah. Okay. Almost. Nope.

Jen: 52:29

Almost usually. If I can take a deep breath, I should be good.

Yasmine: 52:38

no worries. Okay. I think I'm good. Okay. Okay. Sorry. The queen could not stand looking at the girl and she started to get sad again. She, tater hood was not the baby girl that she envisioned and she would cry. and then one day tater had saw her mom being very sad and I don't know how old she was, maybe two weeks. And she said, don't worry, mom, my sister's on her way. And the queen was like, what? I haven't even finished recovering from the last one. What do you mean your sister's on her way? yeah, less than a couple months later, she gave birth to another baby. This was the baby girl that queen had been waiting for. She was pretty, and she had deep blue eyes and silvery blonde hair and was a very sweet baby and slept through the night and never had any complaints. I was trying to think of like what stuff happens to babies, but it's been a very long time. what is the thing where they get hurt? I don't even remember what's called it's a gas. I don't know. This baby had no gas. She was perfect. so there's two. Yeah, right. There you go. There's I can get behind that. Okay. Sister's name that I heard the one that I liked more sounded more like a B so Baris, which apparently is this name of some star. And then I also heard Beni, so Baris or Baris, and I like barely anyways. And they yeah, called the other little girl tatter hood, like I mentioned, because she insisted on wearing an old tattered hood she found and wouldn't. where anything else? So it's so sad as the girls grew older tater hood got more wild and they tried to shut her up in a room, but thankfully tatter hood had a sister who loved her and bar niece would not go anywhere without her sister. So they were very close and tater had ended up having, oh, a very nice childhood along with her sister because her sister wanted her with her all the time. So not too bad. Yeah. Yeah. Usually these are pretty sad. Awesome. She's not too bad. Yeah. Okay. So they did everything. Totally. Yeah. I like this educated together. They went on trips together. And they were nearly grown when one day Tater hood was, it was just like a normal day. Tater hood was riding around on her goat, banging around with her spoon and she heard a screen and a screech from a gallery in the castle. So there's different parts of castles and a gallery would be like a very high ceiling type hall that you can kind of shut and open as you please. So this gallery, she would screams from there and she went to investigate. Okay. And she asked the queen like, Hey mom, like, what's going on? Like, what do you hear this? Like, why are you acting like you don't hear anything? Cuz I guess the mom was just like still sewing or whatever the Queens did. Right. And the queen was like, do not worry about it. Kind of blew her off. Like, Hey, just ignore it. We're just gonna keep doing our stuff. You keep banging with your spoon, but just ignore it. It's fine. And Tater hood did not accept that answer. She was like, no, this is crazy. Like there's people in here screaming, what's going on. Like, we need to go find out what this is. And the queen was like, listen, if I tell you like, like I'll tell you, but you can't go do stuff about it. Like just, they come every so often. And then they leave and tater hood was like, alright, tell me like, and then I'll figure out what I'm gonna do. Cuz she didn't listen. So the queen told her that there was these witches from another land that every so often would come take things and they would swirl around in the gallery and that would be like the end of them being there. And then they would leave and they wouldn't be back for many, many years and tater, who was like, what? Like you would just let these witches come witch around for a while. And it. Right. Like literally you let these witches come up. What's going on. So chatter hood being the wild child that she was, goes into this gallery, riding on her goat with her spoon whacking around hitting these witches and they start leaving. Okay, wait, wait. I went too far. We have to back up a tiny bit before she went out to the gallery. She told everybody the king, the queen like all the courtier and everybody that's like, you know, around the, you know, nights and stuff, I'm gonna go in here, but you guys need to keep the doors tightly shut and do not open any of the doors. I'm gonna take care of this. It's fine. And everyone was like, sure, sure, sure. Whatever. You're just tattered. You don't know. And okay. So she went in there, whacking around, right. And the witches were leaving. Because they had never encountered anyone like this before that was so bold and had a spoon riding a goat. It was crazy. Like they were like what? Riding a goat, so, okay.

Jen: 58:26

Yeah. It's bad when the witches are like, you're freaking me out.

Yasmine: 58:29

It's true. OK. So she's okay. The, the witches were almost all the way gone when all of a sudden one door starts to creak open in her sister pops her silvery head of hair out. And then the one which that was left swirled back around and snatched her head and replaced it with a calf's head. a calf's head with a what's head. but Barney's not dead. Oh, all she could do was move. Okay. So tater hood was what? Like you don't yeah. So tater hood was understand very upset about her sister being turned into happy cow. Oh, okay. And she was like yelling at the king and queen, like, how could you let this happen? All these people here in charge, I told you to do one thing and you couldn't do it. You suck as a king and queen you're terrible parents. You are. She dressed them down. That's what they say in the book. They were dressed down. So I can imagine she was pretty brutal. Mm-hmm so they were, they were just exhausted of hearing their daughter, their daughter yelling at them. They didn't wanna look at her anymore. They were just so tired of everything. Tatter hood demanded. A ship. Okay, wait, I'm behind my notes or I'm in front of my notes. She demanded a ship, but with no captain, no sailors. And she said, I'm taking my sister and I'm gonna go get her head back. But you cannot send people to, to follow us. You guys lost your chance. You're done. And they gave what you wanted, cuz they felt bad and they didn't know what to do with either of them anymore. Okay. Because they were both not cute anymore. this queen seems a little bit I don't know, concerned with appearances, I guess. A little that's the word? That's the word. All

Jen: 1:00:37

right. Where shallow? Yes. Shallow

Yasmine: 1:00:40

should go her head back. Okay. apparently they knew exactly where to go. They sailed straight to which island where the witches dwelled She told Bearne to stay on board while she went to go get her head back. Awesome. She was not subtle at all. She jumped on her goat, grabbed her spoon and rode right into the castle on her goat. For some somehow she knew exactly where the head was because this part in the telling of the story is very quick. She went into the castle, stole the head. They, she was chased by the witches on their brooms and running. I I'm imagine like all, all types of witches and she was hitting everyone with her spooning again, freaking spoon in she made it back to the boat with her sister's head. I know, right. And quickly swapped her. Sister's head back. Attached it and threw the calves head at the witches. And at that they were so horrified. They had never encountered anybody like tatter hood. They just were like, Hey, fair and square, man. Like you got it back. We're good. Yeah. Yeah, exactly respect. Yes. So the sisters decided to go, they were like, Hey, this was fun. Let's travel for a while. Let's go on some adventures. And since they were old enough and capable and obviously capable enough to have to boat they decided to go on the many adventures. Three years of adventures goes by. And I'm assuming, cuz the story does specify that they were almost grown when the head was stolen. I imagine in those three years they would be considered grown. So whatever age okay. That is for. honestly right. Still very young I'm sure. Which would be pretty young. I'm sure. So one day they arrive at a castle in a far away land at this place, at this, you know, whatever kingdom, this was a king and his son where the rulers of that land and they welcome the princesses to the castle. Now, I don't know. It, it does mention, like later on that the townspeople were super dazzled with Beese, but this initial meeting, it just says that the king falls in love with Beese like first sight and nobody had much reaction to tater hood. Cuz I imagine she's probably the one, right. That sets up the talking to, you know, the people at the port and things like that. More the detailed one. People have to be able to deal with her. Mm. You know? Yeah. Maybe it's just her mom. That's I, I don't know. Messed up anyways. Okay. So the king right. Falls in love with Baris. And he asked that night, he asked Baris to marry him and she agrees. But with one stipulation that the king one condition that the king has to have his son marry tater hood. So tatter has to marry the prince. The king agrees right away. He says, yeah, whatever you want, like I'm the king I'll make it happen. Whatever. The prince, unfortunately doesn't feel that way. Even though he is of age to be married, he is shocked. And appalled that his father would agree to this. And he says, absolutely not. It's not gonna happen. So tater hood and Barneys stay for a little while while the king sends priests and courtier and just like anyone who would try to convince the prince to marry tater hood, just, he was just sending everyone the falconer, the bread maker, just every everyone to try to convince his son to marry this princess. Cuz he was like into Mar's. So tater hood and Barneys, they're getting ready to leave. Cuz tater Hood's like, Hey right. If, if you don't wanna get married, we won't get married. We'll keep going. Like that's fine. She does not care. And finally the king shows up to the prince and he threatens to disinherit his son. So you can leave here. With them, like, you'd just go goodbye. So the son reluctantly agrees, he says, okay, fine. Right. Everyone, they set up to go to get everyone married the next day, because it's the king and, you know, he could just do that. It's super easy. No, no inconvenience at all. Yeah. Yeah. So the next day, yeah, evidently the king and Beese are pulled in this like beautiful carriage with like 10 white horses and stuff like that. It's like this beautiful procession and everyone is marveling at Bernice's beauty. Wow. She's so beautiful. And we've never seen anybody like her. She's just like a star, you know? And, and that was fine. Tater hood in the prince rode behind them. Tater hood, of course, on her goat and the prince on a horse. And the prince was looking The prince was a little sad. I it's like girl for

Jen: 1:06:03

one day. For one day. You couldn't get rid of the goat, I guess,

Yasmine: 1:06:07

Would beat the that's fine. I don't know. Yeah, that's true. She seems true. Very socially, like understanding of people's feelings towards her, in this, in this story. I don't know. It's really interesting for this type of story, but anyways, she noticed that the prince was sulking and she asks him, why aren't you talking to me? Why don't you ask me any questions? Like we have to get married. Like, why don't you ask me anything? And he is like, I don't know what to say. And she says, why not ask me some? Oh, I said that already. And he goes like, what, what kind of questions do you want me to ask you? Kind of being a snot about it. Like. Like what, what, and she says, like, why I ride this ugly goat and he rolls his eyes kind of going along with it. Why do you ride the ugly goat? And she says, what? This goat, this is not an ugly goat. This is a beautiful purebred Steed. And so it was all of a sudden just on this beautiful horse. And he's like, okay, that's cool. Still kind of sulking and tatter. Hood's like, why don't you ask, oh, wait, why don't you ask why I carry this spoon? And he's like, okay, why do you carry the spoon? And tatter hood says what spoon. This is a magic wand. And then it turned into a magic wand. Cool. All right. So he is starting to get more interested. He's like, right. That's cool. What, but he was still like, man Uhhuh. I dunno. And she and tater had asks you still sulk. Why not ask me why my face is so Ash and gray prince going along with it now he's like, why is your face so great? And tatter hood laughs. My face. My face is not gray. I have beautiful porcelain skin. And so tater Hood's gray skin turned into a soft peach with a slight tan from being out on the water for so long. And the princes now on board, he laughs but your dress is tattered. Why is it tattered? And tatter hood says my dress is not tattered. It's the most beautiful dress anyone has ever seen. And so it was, and then she was everyone marveled at her beauty. More, she PA surpassed the beauty of even her sister. So everyone was super impressed. Prince was happy. Hopefully the king stayed, happy couples got married and they lived happily ever after. Yeah, right.

Jen: 1:08:58

Wow.

Yasmine: 1:09:00

What, like, so,

Jen: 1:09:05

so she was, I guess like a witch, like a good

Yasmine: 1:09:09

witch, maybe part of the witch transferred to herself, the flower. And that's what that represented. But somebody had to be shown her beauty, but I don't feel like anybody earned it except for maybe Barone. Yeah. Oh, and there was another, that's what I was gonna that

Jen: 1:09:31

I exactly, he

Yasmine: 1:09:32

didn't earn it. The sister, the way that she reacted was like, she's as she's always been, you just have not been able to see her. So it kind of makes me feel like she was saving it to kind of see what she could get done. I don't know if they, the king and queen would allow her to go on adventures if she would've been, if everyone would've seen her as a beautiful, soft princess, like she wouldn't have been allowed to go on these adventures. So maybe there's something to that.

Jen: 1:10:12

Yeah, exactly. And certainly to, yeah, Bernie be, I can't say it, Bernice. Okay. Yes, that she was always able to see the beauty in her sister, her insides coming out. Exactly. It was just her inside coming out. Right.

Yasmine: 1:10:33

In a nice way.

Jen: 1:10:35

Yeah. And not a gross way. Exactly. Yeah. Cuz I feel like I have to explain myself now cuz that whole other thing. Yeah. But yeah. I mean like her beautiful inside traits. Yes. But only when she was ready, like she didn't manifest in outside beauty. There we go to

Yasmine: 1:10:50

be beautiful for her wedding day, I guess. I don't know. It's it's I don't know. It was kind of fun kind of crazy, but it, you know that, I don't know. It kind of reminded me of like yeah. The, the Disney Rapunzel where the, the mom has the flower, like they go find the flower.

Jen: 1:11:10

Yeah, that's a good one. Right? Gosh, I hadn't thought about that one in a long time.

Yasmine: 1:11:14

Have you

Jen: 1:11:14

seen the, the movie Zel? I'm trying to even

Yasmine: 1:11:16

think. Yeah. Cause it's definitely different. The stories maybe we, maybe we huh.

Jen: 1:11:23

I

Yasmine: 1:11:23

don't know. I haven't that a little bit more because it's definitely different from the stories. They, they tweak things a little bit in the, in the movie as they do it's

Jen: 1:11:32

yeah. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that the story you just told, I'm pretty sure that because towards the end it started clicking with me. I have a book called, oh gosh, folk tales for fearless girls. And it's a collection of folk tales where the they don't need the prince charming to yeah. To get things done themselves. So it's obviously a much diff not, well, I don't know how much different, but it's a different version from what you just read, but it it's gotta be the same. I'm gonna have to To look at that. Yeah. I'll have to show it to you, but that's an awesome, awesome book. It is so good. I've got'em yeah. From all over the world. That's awesome. There's some really good ones in there. Phil love that though. And I love now I've forgotten that lady's name, that compiled all of these Manning standards. I'm gonna have to. Yeah, well, there's just, I can't wait to look up all of the stuff I guess, is her stuff it's been in print. Like they, you know, it's not like housed at a library somewhere. It is, it is where 10 people can access it. Like her stuff is still published,

Yasmine: 1:12:55

like thrift books. Like there's, there's definitely some out there. Oh, awesome. But what I was really, really wanting to find was like a collect. so, I mean, if anybody knows where I could find like a collection of her books, that'd be so cool to have mm-hmm

Jen: 1:13:17

yeah. Yeah. I agree. Cause that, that the art find a resource like that. See the, she sounds just amazing

Yasmine: 1:13:26

from different time periods. It's so interesting. And so cool to see all this different art

Jen: 1:13:35

mm-hmm oh, I bet. Oh, you would love to the the illustrations in folk tales for fearless girls. And then there's a, another one beneath the moon. I think I just posted a story from it. This week. But anyway, the illustrations in that are just absolutely insane. Just beautiful. So yeah, that's another really good book that does folk tales from around the world. That's really wonder that was a fun this week. Thank that was awesome. Oh, I bet. Yeah, there's so many of these that like now I'm thinking you know, I need to, we need to do like a series or, you know, a part two or something. Cuz I was thinking like with the spiritualism, you know, there was just so absolutely much yeah. That we could, we could have talked for hours. But yeah, I was like, oh, I'd really like to, to revisit that. And this would be a really cool cause I would love to hear more of her, you know, her take on, on these stories that she's collected. Cuz that would be really fun too. So I think we can, I think we should. It's our show but no guys, let us know if you think if you'd like to hear more about that stuff, or if you have a favorite crypted that you'd like to learn more about paranormal, all that good stuff, just let us know. All of our social media is easy to find. It's all pretty much search mavens of MIS deeds, and you will get there except for Twitter. Yes. Twitter which is mavens MIS deeds. And our email is mavens of MIS deeds, gmail.com. And I guess that's it for this episode. So we will see you again next week. Bye.